Defining Status of Targets In Your Blog Editorials: A Case Study of Allyn Hane

I just recently came across Blogger Illustrated run by “Master Of My Own Domain” video blogger Allyn Hane. Tying into the subject I discussed in an earlier post about feuds and personal attacks, his most recent video When A-List Turns To A-Hole addresses the issue of blog commenting and regular interaction with readers – including Allyn’s “outrageous” take that highly successful bloggers are “douchebags” and “fuckfaces”.

The centerpiece of his “hilariously shocking” rant focuses around David Risley and his recent video post When Comments Begin To HURT Your Blogging Success. Putting the actual issue aside, I think Allyn’s post and blog makes for a great case study (because everyone loves case studies, right?) into the field of comedy, entertainment and editorial commentary.

Why is defining the status of targets in your opinionated editorials important?
  • It gives you the proper insight into how your audience will view you.
  • It determines how effective you will be achieving the desired reaction from your audience.
  • Failure to do so can turn an interesting, valid point of view into being perceived as mudslinging or insults.

Obviously, Allyn Hane doesn’t appear to take any of this into account before recording the verbal vomit that spews from his mouth. From what I gather and perceive, his opinions are completely lost when he does nothing more than cheap shock shtick that appeals to 8th graders and those people who need to put someone else down in order to make themselves feel high and mighty.

It’s horribly unfunny. It has virtually no wit whatsoever. Allyn comes across as arrogant, full of himself, a frat-boy type who boasts about his alcohol tolerance, how great his ‘bitchin’ ride is with its new rims and generally someone who just wants attention in this blogging space to make up for the lack of it in the “real world”. (a term he uses often on his blog)

As examples in this “case study”, check out some of his past videos:

This video is where Allyn calls Problogger.com a “gay ass forum” and calls the content on ProBlogger nothing more that “bullshit fluff”. He then makes fun of a “noob” girl’s guest post there (yet says he’s not attacking her in any way) as well as one by Leo Babauta at Zen Habits – minimizing Ally’s own valid SEO viewpoints by reducing it to nearly two minutes of a horrible Indian accent in mockery of the writer’s ethnicity.

This video is where Allyn spends an inordinate amount of time making fun of commenters on another person’s blog using horribly unfunny impressions of foreign accents. He then rants on those that complain about getting MMO offers in their e-mail by communicating his message by way of a deaf, retarded person. Of course, before ending it with “quit your f’ing bitching, you dumbass!”

Now, back to Allyn’s most recent post where he calls out David Risley as well as any A-list blogger for not interacting with their readers regularly enough. He backs up a similar sentiment made by Sire at Wassup Blog on the subject and says that conversing with your potential customers is paramount – unlike Risley’s claim that interacting too much can actually hurt your business by lacking the time to create compelling content.
…building a business means building customers. REALIZE THIS: someone who takes time to comment on your “social” blog is giving you what we call a “buying sign” …meaning they are on the verge of making a purchase, all you have to do is add in a feature and a benefit (like replying to a comment on the blog) and then CLOSE!
- Allyn Hane
Taking Allyn’s viewpoint into account, I’d now like to present you with brand new edition of…

Practice What You Preach: When Hypocrisy Attacks!

In this episode, I go on the road and visit Allyn Hane’s outposts in the social media landscape. I take a look at how he conducts himself when it comes to interacting with his community, readers, followers, friends, fans and potential customers of his business endeavors.

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Nearly 1500 followers @allynpaul has got there. I’m sure it would be highly beneficial to connect with these potential customers, but apparently Allyn has failed to do so. Only one @reply this past month and it’s pretty much based around a hashtag seemingly created to self-promote his beer business. The rest of Allyn’s messages are mostly self-centered in nature – either to push a new piece of content or just to talk about himself. I’m sure his 1,467 “potential customers” must really appreciate the constant lack of interaction!

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Nevermind the fact Allyn’s @BigBeerBlog only has 64 followers, it’s still probably important that he connects with these “customers” on a deeper level. Hmmm… 9 tweets in nearly 4 months… and they’re virtually all pushing his own content. Oh, wait! There’s an @reply in there somewhere… it’s a late reply thanking someone for a retweet. I’m sure it was just because Allyn was concentrating more of his interactions on another platform…

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I guess I was wrong. At least Allyn apologized for not conversing with his “customers” for a good whole month. Plus he shared a recommendation for a Make Money Online blogger… even though half his blog posts seem to scream “don’t listen to any of those internet marketers!”

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It’s nice to see that Allyn has apologized yet again for not being responsive enough at replying to comments on his Facebook fan wall. It’s because he didn’t know how to actually find them! That makes sense… a blogger who rants about internet marketing in the landscape of social media and how it’s imperative to connect with your customers doesn’t have a clue how to do so. Nothing new here.

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That’s ok, Allyn. I’m sure you were just busy working on content for your niche sites that are actually bringing in money as a business. Wait a minute… isn’t that exactly what David Risley is doing? Spending more time creating media & materials for interested customers instead of focusing on replying to comments and interacting regularly with his reader community… you know, working on the tangible assets that actually bring cash in to support the family!

I must admit though, Allyn is very good at responding to comments on his own blog. Apparently, communicating with potential “customers” only applies when they come to him. We all know that social media is all about me, me, me, right? To give him some credit, I’ve also seen him around on occasion commenting on other’s blogs… but I’m not sure how genuine they are since this SEO-proponent self to a cult-like degree actively boasts that he’s “just building backlinks, it’s the shiz!”.

To further bring out the hypocrisy in Allyn’s behavior and his recent post… he doesn’t mention that David Risley though, used Backtype to find another blogger’s post that brought up his namesake and then went there (to his “potential customers”) and got involved with the conversation. Not for backlinks. Not to pitch anything or talk about himself incessantly, but to do exactly what Allyn claims he doesn’t do – interact with the community.

Unfortunately, Allyn probably doesn’t have much experience with this since apparently no one is talking about him anywhere anyways. Maybe that’s why he needs to resort to blatantly obvious link baiting post titles and calling everyone more successful than him a “fuckface” or a “douchebag” – or making up for his own lack of talent by using immature frat-boy humor and “shock” tactics to get people to pay attention to him at all costs.

What can we all learn from this case study of Allyn Hane?

First and foremost, as I’ve said recently about how the small fry always loses – you really have to do your due diligence before slinging mud at people.

But back to the main point, you must be able to define who or what the target is and weigh that into your considerations on how to approach a piece of editorial content. Your opinion and message can be considerably skewed and taken much differently than intended solely on how you’re perceived in the presentation of it. What you think of as “funny” or “outrageous” may be thought of by readers as anywhere from offensive to completely abusive.

A-list bloggers can definitely be fair game as being targets “above” the audience, but if you’re going with a “man of the people” approach, you can’t also make fun of those who reside “below” or at the line. You must consider your relative status in comparison to the subjects at hand as well as your relative status to the audience. The direction in which the target lies in the scope of your viewpoint will determine the most effective way of getting your point across. Without keeping this in mind, it’s possible that a very interesting idea that can open up great discussion will be lost in between your poor attempts to “spice things up” or shock others.

And I think Allyn Hane definitely has some valid opinions that I happen to agree with in some capacity. I just wish he’d try to grow up with his taste in humor, either by focusing on the joke itself and making it more clever, sarcastic or subtle… or at least stop making the butt of all of his “jokes” people that are looked at below the level of him and the audience.

Are you taking the status of your targets into account before you write an opinionated editorial or humor piece?


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  • Jackson
    Lemme guess......you are 100% politically correct liberal who is ashamed to be a white male. oooooh....don't hurt anyones feelings by using their accent. You might hurt their self esteem. Give me a break. Go back out there and try to get more dead people signed up to vote so you can keep your bleeding heart liberals in office.
  • Ah, I assumed this opinion was going to be made at some point.I'm sorry to disappoint, but I lean on the libertarian/conservative side of things.

    Watch the video again, please - I never said I have a problem with using people "below the line" as part of humor. It's when it's not made with any attempt at wit - that's the issue I have with it.

    Understand that my opinions are based solely as a stand-up comedian & comedy writer. If you take a look at my own material, I use references like this all the time in my act... but it's not the references themselves (like "hey, isn't Clay Aiken a gaywad!") that illicit the humor - it's how you weave the known stereotype or shared perception into the structure of a clever joke.

    I do agree that "bleeding heart" liberals have taken political correctness WAY too far. Words in and of themselves should never be offensive just because someone says them. It's the context in which they're used that determines the real intent.
  • Jackson
    I really honestly seriously find it hard to believe that you can make 2 cents being a "stand-up comedian & comedy writer". The world you live in is a very serious place. Dang, I'm glad I don't live there. Going around all day wondering whether you are offending someone like you must and noticing that others are offending you has got to be a 24/7 downer. I don't think you have any sense of humor at all. And who the hell cares about whether it is above the belt or below? Comedians sure don't - they make fun of everyone and you really can't deny that.
  • I think I officially have a man crush on Jackson now.

    Ok JC, this is the best thing I've heard you say so far. You had me scared. Keep going, you might slowly crawl back into everyone's good graces.
  • Jackson
    I'll be waiting for that video of yours Steve. (whisper...don't do any funny voices!)
  • Heck no, I like the way you have manned up to our assault on you my brother. lol! Even though your opinion towards my brudda from another mudda was severely misplaced, I like the way you have responded. I just want you to be able to handle it when I do a video on you and call you a gaywad, retarded 8th grade moron...that was a joke btw. I think I do feel a video coming on though.
  • But Steve, would you respect me if I just backed down from my opinion to satisfy some disgruntled commenters?

    All I can do is present my point of view with honesty and let the cards fall as they may.

    I really don't think we're all THAT much different from each other. I just choose to make the same arguments in a subtler, sarcastic & clever way instead of using well-known "shock" methodologies to illicit surprise out of an audience. (and surprise is the basis of what a joke actually is)
  • Interesting post this, This whole episode has driven up quite a stir in which no one really loses. I know you don't seem eye to eye with Allyn, you will never get on with everyone.

    That said I am a fan of you both, both unique in your own right.

    Great example of how to contruct a reaction to an arguement this though good job
  • I really don't know Allyn nor have I been following his blog (I am subscribed now) but I don't see anything wrong with his rant, the bottom line is that the point of a blog is interaction, otherwise we could just write static page after static page or turn comments off. What is the use of having comments on your blog if you aren't going to INTERACT with your readers?

    I only recently started reading your blog (found it from a comment you left somewhere), and I appreciate your points as well. But, ultimately, when this all started on Sire's site when he wrote about commenting on pro-blog's sites and never getting any responses from these "A-list" bloggers, I completely understand his point. I went over to David's video reply and left a good comment, of course there was no reply (he had replied to several other comments) and I didn't expect he would reply as he stated "it doesn't make good business sense" to do so.

    I disagree with the concept of not spending time in your comments, sometimes more comes from the comments than came out of the original post.
  • 100% valid point there, Keith. Like I said, I do actually agree with a lot of Allyn's opinions.

    Yes, it's very important that you interact with your readers, but I also am of the opinion that it should be because you sincerely have something to add to the conversation. Replying to comments just for the sake of doing so, or just to say a simple "thanks" and that's it... it screams of inauthenticity to me. This is why I *don't* reply to every comment here. I don't want them to be devalued.

    David Risley does make a good point also, that spending TOO much time replying to comments can take away from your time creating tangible content for your readers/customers. With that being said, I do also believe David was a bit off in saying "it doesn't make good business sense". My argument would be that if you were able to reply to every comment, e-mail, tweet, etc. would you do so? Of course you would. So to say anything otherwise is a fallacy.

    Now, it may be wholly impossible to actually do this in reality - that's why priorities come into account. And everyone has a different opinion, different style, different business model, etc - so I don't believe there's *one* right answer. Some prioritize interaction over all else to achieve success, some prioritize content creation over all else for the same purpose. Both ideologies would still be correct.

    Thanks for joining in with the discussion, Keith. You definitely added some needed value here. (as opposed to using the comments to call people an idiot, dumbass or gay)
  • Hey Jordan,
    I have to ask, was your fly undone in this video? I think I could see you wearing red underware. Lol!

    Enjoyed this and will now check out the offending video. Cheers!
  • Yes Gordie! LOL. Surprised you were the first the notice. Of course, I didn't realize this at the time, but I'm not going to re-record a 5 minute rant just to save some embarrassment.

    BTW, it was red boxers with polka dots! :-)
  • When you become mega-famous and mega rich, people will look back on this video and say, "Hey Look, Jordan is human just like the rest of us!" :)
  • ShaneRQR
    Very interesting post, I must say. I came across Allyn's IM blog (not the beer related one) a few weeks ago and watched some of his videos. I really liked most of them and I didn't feel like he was picking on people below him. Not in a mean way, anyway.
    But maybe I'm just an insensitive bastard...

    I think the main thing for me is that I wish I could be as expressive as Allyn is in his videos. Better to be hated for your strong personality than to be ignored for your lack of a personality.

    Anyway, as I said I really enjoyed this analysis and I'm off to browse some more of this blog. :)

    Cheers,
    Shane
  • Shane, I do agree that not many people can be as expressive as Allyn on camera. I give him great respect for that.

    It's because a lot of the things he talks about I find to be true, that's the only reason why I'm disappointed it's in the midst of immature humor.

    It's ok to like the "bully" when he's playing pranks on the principal. But when he's stuffing smaller kids into lockers and flushing their heads in toilets, the "bully" won't be liked by anyone.
  • tehe hahaha lol hilarious and more!

    Will keep it in mind, most of my targets are the people on the train I see during my work commute.
  • Jessie
    LOL and you are supposed to be a comedian? Damn you don't make any money blogging, you obviously make no money being funny, so how do you make your living? Allyn is funnier in his sleep than you are. Pathetic cry for readers dude.YOU ARE NOT COOL AT ALL.!
  • Hello Mr. Jordan, I'm one of those 8th grade type followers who read and watch Allyn Hane. I'm also a defender and a friend. I personally enjoy bloggers calling each other out. I think it's healthy and certainly fun.

    I may actually call you out on my blog in the future because you failed to disclose that you were featured on David Risley's blog on December 24. I couldn't figure out why you were taking a shot at Allyn until I found that you have a boner for Risley. That's dishonest in my book. Totally dishonest and the obvious reason behind your stab at Allyn.

    David Risley could give a shit about you. How old are you? Are you not old enough to detect that yet? He used you strictly as a content filler on December 24. You think he's putting his best stuff up on one of the slowest days of the year? You were filler my brother. Think about it Jordan. Without me looking, has Ridley even made a comment on this blog? Go to your feedburner, has he even subscribed?

    How much social traffic did he send you? Maybe 300-400 site visits at most? You got all pumped up about that didn't you? That will soon dry up. If Allyn Hane decided to, he could send you traffic for the life of this blog. Allyn could make you a ton of money, but you are simply clueless.

    Another little tid-bit about Allyn and his network of sub-A lister bloggers (me included). He could own your personal name and name of your site on the search engines. As you appear to be uneducated in these matters, you should take my word for that. If Allyn "The Hypocrite" as you call him, decides to take your name in the serps, you my friend are #ucked. Once again, you have been a dumbass but it's not your fault. There is still hope for you because we have a sweet spot for videobloggers. One e-mail from Allyn and there is an army of internet marketing bloggers that would take great joy in spending days upon days of link building that I promise would not be in your favor.

    Is David Risley on your speed dial in your phone? Of course not. He's not your friend.

    You obviously do not know what Allyn Hane and his gang of 8th. graders did to Monster Brewery.

    You are an idiot when it comes to picking a fight. I don't mean that in a bad way. You chose Risley (Don Knotts) over Allyn (John Wayne) when it comes to ones ability to manipulate the search engines and network of dedicated friends. I can only shake my head at the error of your ways and chuckle. One call and one e-mail to his network and it's over. You will fight an uphill battle until you finally quit.

    Allyn can take a punch with the best of them but you are aligning yourself with the puff gay bloggers. No offense to gays. You should re-evaluate the alliances you are attempting. If you can point to a specific untruthful remark Allyn has ever made, I'd like to hear it. Risley used to kick ass, now he just basically sucks it by aligning himself with the other A-list predators.

    You appear to have talent.
    #1. Get a wireless microphone so we can hear your genius.
    #2. When you attack, disclose that you have erection for the person you defend. I officially do have an erection for Allyn. That's my truth in advertising.
    #3. Reconsider the group you want to hang with.
    #4. In the future be smart about who you pick a fight with. Spend a couple weeks research and maybe e-mail the regular commenters on a man's blog. If you had called me first, you would have never posted this shit.
  • It's interesting to see how people react differently to the same stimuli. I may not have enjoyed all the cursing in Allyn's video (being someone who's never uttered a curse word my entire life), but I really did appreciate his message. I'm thinking that comparing what someone does on different platforms than what was being addressed does a disservice to the original topic, which you didn't really address here at all. Doesn't going after Allyn do the same thing you accuse him of?

    Also, even Risley popped up on Allyn's site and commented after seeing his name, so he obviously took little offense to the video, seeing it for what it's worth. Most everyone saw it as tongue-in-cheek; that wouldn't normally be my type of humor, just so you know.

    Having said that, I now have to say that, outside of repeating any cursing you've encountered on Allyn's site, it was nicely researched, and I really appreciate all the work you put into it. Regardless of opinion, this is a quality post, and certainly something different from the norm, which I enjoy.

    Addressing the initial topic of your post, you ask: "Are you taking the status of your targets into account before you write an opinionated editorial or humor piece", I'm not sure what you mean. The way the question is asked, you did that, Allyn did that, almost everyone does it. If you meant "are you making sure you're not doing the same thing you accuse someone else of doing", personally I can say that I expect I am, since if I hate something it usually means I'll go out of my way not to ever do it to someone else. Perception, however, is 100% based on who's viewing it, so one can only hope to be as true to their ideals at all time as they possibly can be.

    And thank Sire for tweeting this post; I think I'm going to do the same, as a retweet.
  • Mitch, I agree that comparing Allyn's opinion to his own behavior was a bit of a tangent off the main idea of the post. It seemed fairly relevant at the time while I was doing my research, but you could be right that it does a disservice to the original topic.

    Going after Allyn, in and of itself, I don't believe in any way is the same as what I accuse him of. I actually agree with many of the points he brings up in his videos and have no problem with people calling bullshit on those put up on a pedestal. That isn't the issue with me.

    I, however, didn't attack Allyn by using defamatory comments about anyone else outside of Allyn himself. Although I equated his "humor" to that which "appeals to 8th graders and those people who need to put someone else down in order to make themselves feel high and mighty" - I never made any disparaging remarks about his actual fans themselves. In fact, in the video I even stated "if that's the cup of tea, then so be it."

    I also didn't resort to calling Allyn a "retard", "gaywad" or any other insult that is based solely around a bigoted defamatory stereotype. I didn't reach below the line in order to express my viewpoint. I never compared him in any way to a group that isn't looked at as an authoritative position in relation to the audience.

    By expressing myself in this fashion, I make the issue solely about my intended target and no one else. This way, the only people that should be "offended" by my opinion are either:

    1. Allyn himself.
    2. Those that don't agree with my opinion.

    Do you see the difference now between how I have expressed myself in this post as opposed to the way Allyn has done in his videos?

    In any case, Mitch, I appreciate the long and thoughtful response and am glad you spent the time to add more valuable discussion into the issue.
  • Mitch, you do realize this is a Disqus site? LOL
  • Jordon, as you know I've watched his video and while everything you've said makes perfect sense, I couldn't help but laugh at his video. Maybe I have a weird sense of humor but I thought it was hilarious.

    Without watching it again, seeing as how the bulk of it was having a go at the A listers, doesn't that mean he was aiming above the line?

    Thanks for the links mate. I've tweeted this because I feel it was a very good post.
  • Sire, I believe his videos *are* quite entertaining to watch - I enjoy rants about the status quo and the hypocrisy of the "accepted practices" he points out. But also because I devilishly like watching "train wrecks" just to see how much of a mess it is.

    You're absolutely right, the bulk of the rants are directed at targets above the line (A-listers) and that pans out in a comedic sense just fine. But in the process, he attacks plenty of "innocent" victims below the line.

    Was it necessary for Allyn to make fun of Leo's supposed Indian accent (he's from Guam, by the way) when he's not the intended target of Allyn's rant whatsoever?

    Was it necessary for Allyn to outright mock commenters on someone else's blog when they're not the intended target of his opinions?

    Was it necessary to resort to "gay" and "retard" name-calling - using derogatory terminology referring to minority members of society without any semblance of wit?

    This is what I'm talking about when I said "below the line". The cursing doesn't really apply and terms such as "fuckface" and "douchebag" don't directly apply to anyone, so there's no target defined in that case. But gays, mentally challenged, little people, minority ethnicities, people with afflictions, the homeless, the underprivileged, etc... these are groups that are below this line. So either reference them in a way that is so clever/funny that it comes across as a *joke* or you'll end up looking like a bigoted asshole.
  • Funny that I didn't see any of that at all. Seems to me that you went through it all with a fine tooth comb just so you could find something to pick on.

    Heck, even David thought it was funny and he was the brunt of the whole thing.
  • It's possible I may see things through a different lens since I deal with humor on a regular basis. I'd make the same comments about *anyone* who uses name-calling & defamatory stereotypes without any wit regardless of the situation.

    I watch amateur comedians and open-mike shows often and all the time I see them go on stage with nothing more than "so-and-so is a fuckwad" and "midgets can suck my dick" and "this guy looks a gay retard"... and the audience RARELY EVER laughs at any of it, thinks they're an asshole and sometimes even so much that the comedy club has to cut the mike. Then these amateur comics walk off of stage time and time again wondering why their "hilarity" doesn't work.

    Most quit before they figure it out... but some end up realizing that *just* using these references offers the audience only shock - using it in a way that shows *wit* provides actual humor. (even then, some people will be offended regardless)
  • Great post Jordan, loved it immensely. From reading a few of the blogs, I'm going to try and post my take on it, with linkbacks, shortly.

    It did make me chuckle with all the MF's, douchebags & bastards in the post, the first swear came before the NSFW! :)
  • Awesome stuff, Jordan! I really enjoy the humor-teaching content since you're an awesome comedy-dude, or at least you claim to be ;)
  • Hey man, great commentary on me, fresh content like this is always good. You are right on much of what you say, I am NOT social as I should be... damn corp job thinks I should be earning my keep instead of playing the web; go figure. And this damn Vic Franqui guy, and the Grizz guy who taught me much of what I know about MMO didn't teach me anything about being social, dang them! (you must know who they are as you culled thru my shiz)
    And I do have self esteem issues too, thanks..., a drinking problem, I'm a terrible husband, I let my grass grow too long and my feet smell like a pack of ass. That's why I get on the vid blog and let it fly like a frat boy. BTW--good on you for having a vid blog, not many have such ability.
    Keep up the quick wit, you are good at it. If you ever come to Chicago, I'd be glad to buy you a beer or diet Sprite, whichever you prefer.
    AL
  • I'm glad that you're able to take punches as well as you throw them. I respect that.

    Whenever you put yourself out there like you do, it's important that you're willing to take a brunt of the criticism for it, regardless if it's positive or negative.

    As I said in the post, I definitely think a lot of the points you make in your videos are quite good. You're pointing out inconsistencies you view, same as a comedian would. I just wish you would focus that message towards the target at hand instead of dragging in innocent parties by putting them down (or making fun of them) in the process.
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